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Updated 10/11/08
10/11/08 Marble vs. Granite, Genetic info, and my observations: My opinion really hasn't changed from '06-'07. In fact with the amount of low / side-wall granite pattern that's showing up on these juveniles from the Marble x Normal breeding (Clutch 2, below) - it seems to be re-enforcing what I mentioned in the past. Want to read what I had to say? Click away HERE . But remember, ignorance is bliss. Consider yourself warned.
*Click thumbnails below to view in larger size*
*You'll notice that each animal may have several accompanying pictures. This is because I photographed the animals with and without a flash, and some from different angles because I wanted the viewer to see the different attributes that many of these juveniles possess. Unfortunately, as an amateur photographer (and a neurotic one at that), it's hard for me to predict whether the flash is going to over-saturate the animal and wash out it's natural tones or not. Without a flash exposure, some pics are just TOO dark and you can't appreciate the honey/mahogany marbling contrast of these Borneos.
The bottom line - Hang out awhile and feel free to check 'em all out.....
From Clutch #1 - Marble x Marble (2008)
Updated 10/11/08
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M2MAR08 Price: Sale pending, but not yet sold - INQUIRE if interested |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
 
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M3MAR08 Price: $225 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M7MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M10MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M12MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M15MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M17MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
 
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M19MAR08 Price: Sale pending, but not yet sold - INQUIRE if interested |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M21MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F4MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
 
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F5MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F6MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F8MAR08 Price: Sale pending, but not yet sold - INQUIRE if interested |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F11MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F13MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
 
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F16MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F18MAR08 Price: $200 |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
From Clutch #2 - Marble x Normal (2008)
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M3F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration - I'd say this guy received some Marble genes from Dad. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M6F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides / nice light coloration.. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M8F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration - NICE! Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M9F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration - NICE! Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M11F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Another LOOKER. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M12F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration - I'd say this guy received some Marble genes from Dad. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male I.D.# : M13F108 Price: $100 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Another LOOKER. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F1F108 Price: $150 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration - I'd say she received some Marble genes from Dad. Nice striping too. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F4F108 Price: $150 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides, nice deep contrast - open pattern-less flanks that lend to a striping look. NICE. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F5F108 Price: $150 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Again with this one - Low granite sides, nice deep contrast - open pattern-less flanks that lend to a striping look. NICE. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F7F108 Price: $150 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides, deep dorsal/flank contrast. I'd say Dad contributed to this. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F10F108 Price: $150 |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Low granite sides / Nice light coloration with open patches in the flanks. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
| '08 Lesser Marble(?) Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female I.D.# : F15F108 Price: Sale pending, but not yet sold - INQUIRE if interested |
From Marble x Normal Breeding. Another LOOKER. Low granite sides and some deep mahogany/honey coloration. Taking f/t mice right from hemostats. |
2/9/07 Marble vs. Granite, Genetic info, and my observations: There seems to currently be some confusion and debate amongst breeders and keepers, concerning the genetics of some of the Borneo Short-tail Python (Python curtus breitensteini) morphs we see offered in the hobby today. I won't claim that my total understanding is an exception to the rule. The original Marble mutation has always been thought to be a dominant morph, easily reproduced in 1st generation offspring if one of the parents was a visual Marble animal. Lately, I've seen reports of what others are calling a "Granite" morph. The descriptions I've come across of this morph label it as being significantly similar to the Marble morph with one exception; others claim that the Granite morph is recessive vs. the Marble morph being dominant. *I'll continue with this conversation - but the reader should take note that I'll leave out some specific breeder names who's permission I haven't asked for, and until I can draw further conclusions from my own breeding observations.
When I began this project, I started by acquiring a group of Borneos consisting of 1.1 Marbles, and 0.2 "normal" females. The marbles originated from Mike Kostakos, who originally acquired his animals from who I'll refer to as the "authentic originator" of the Marble morph. There was no question in my mind that they were "Marbles," and there continues to be no question. The two normal females came from unrelated (to my knowledge), distant sources. Just like anyone else working with genetically dominant morphs, I expected a certain ratio of marble offspring from breeding the male marble to the various females. I bred the Marbles together and also bred the male Marble to each individual normal female - I didn't quite get the results that I was expecting. The resulting offspring from Marble x Marble were all, what I now consider "Intense Marbles." They all possessed the same high granite side-walls (flanks) and highly intense contrast of dorsal coloration as the adults do. Basically, Marble x Marble yielded all Marble. It was when the Marble x Normal clutches hatched that I became a bit confused. Neither of the Marble x Normal clutches yielded what I observed as "Intense Marbles." The clutch from normal female 1 contained no Intense Marbles, but a percentage did possess moderate granite sidewalls and some less intense marbling contrast to their dorsal and side coloration. The clutch from normal female 2 also lacked any Intense Marbles, but also possessed offspring (although a smaller percentage) that had moderate granite sidewalls and some less intense marbling contrast to their dorsal and side coloration.
What to think? My immediate conclusion was that maybe the "Marbles" I was working with weren't quite as dominant as I original believed? Could they be the "granites" that I've heard others speak of? Could the lower granite side walls and light marbling be a heterozygous marker? But, if so - shouldn't all the offspring from the normal females possess this heterozygous marker? Not all do. The clutch from normal female 1 contained a low percentage of normal offspring. The clutch from normal female 2 contained a high percentage of normal offspring. Both females were virgins and raised by myself from juveniles/sub-adults prior to this breeding. That knocks out sperm retention from another male. All (3) clutches were incubated at 88.5-90F. That should knock out incubation temperature influences on pattern or color appearance, right?
My Current Hypothesis: I refer to this as a hypothesis, rather than a conclusion. Until more breeding is done by myself and others, or until more breeders want to make their own specific observations available, I genuinely believe that the marble animals I work with are dominant (co-dom) and possess a lesser and super form - much like tiger/super-tiger reticulated pythons and pastel/super-pastel ball pythons. I can only base this on my own observations right now, because unfortunately there is way too much bias and deviation that exists in this hobby. But, that's another story. I certainly invite others to offer their own specific observations - I'd be happy to discuss it. I believe that the "normals" are just that, normals. And, that the more intense animals will reproductively act more like dominant supers, and the less intense animals will act as reproductively dominant lessers. I will try to post pictures on this page of all the adults in the near future and allow others to form their own opinion. This is just my current opinion from my limited observations and my own experience. I obviously can't guarantee this is how the genetics are working yet. However, it's sure as hell how it appears.
More breeding trials, with more observations are in the works.
In the meantime - I think the offspring below are priced fairly, no matter what YOU think they are :) Joe Yakelis 4/5/07
Contact me for pair and quantity pricing
Updated 8/20/07
*Click thumbnails to view in larger size*
From Clutch #1 - Marble x Marble (2006)
Sold - No Longer Available
| '06 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M2MAR06 Price: SOLD - Vake J. |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M4MAR06 Price: SOLD - Vake J. |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M10MAR06 Price: SOLD - Mark Kennedy |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M11MAR06 Price: SOLD - Vake J. |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Marble Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F12MAR06 Price: SOLD - Mark Kennedy |
From Marble x Marble Breeding. High granite sides / intense dorsal marbling. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
From Clutch #2 - Marble x Normal Female #1 (2006)
Sold - No Longer Available
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M9F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal and flank marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Are these average normals? I'm thinking NOT! Taking f/t weaned rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M12F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal and flank marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Check out the lack of pattern on this one! Taking f/t weaned rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M2F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal and flank marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. You tell me what's going on with this one? Hammering multiple, live, adult mice with gusto. Soon to be switched to weaned rats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F3F106 Price: SOLD - Vake J. |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M1F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal and flank marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M4F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M11F106 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
From Clutch #3 - Marble x Normal Female #2 (2006)
Sold - No Longer Available
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F2F206 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
A looker - no doubt! Hammering multiple, live, adult mice with gusto. Soon to be switched to weaned rats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M6F206 Price: SOLD - William Pambianco |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M7F206 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Light dorsal marbling - nice! Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M10F206 Price: SOLD - Reserved / Dave |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Very low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M14F206 Price: SOLD - William Pambianco |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M15F206 Price: SOLD - Reserved / Dave |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M16F206 Price: SOLD - William Pambianco |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Male
I.D.# : M18F206 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F9F206 Price: SOLD - Reserved / Dave |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Has taken f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats - also likes live jumbo mice. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F11F206 Price: SOLD |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F17F206 Price: SOLD - Reserved / Dave |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F20F206 Price: SOLD - Mark Kennedy |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Nice Normal. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
| '06 Borneo Short-tail Python | Additional Remarks | |
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Sex: Female
I.D.# : F22F206 Price: SOLD - Vake J. |
From Marble x Normal Breeding.
Low granite sides / light dorsal marbling. Lesser form of intense Marble. Taking f/t fuzzy rats right from hemostats. |
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